Does the Sun Revolve Around the Earth???

Let’s get some basic astronomical and physical concepts ironed out.

First of all motion is relative. If Car A is going 50kph and Car B is going 45kph. Than Car B is moving backwards at 5kph relative to someone looking at it from Car A. And someone sitting in Car A experiences the car itself as standing still. Even though to anyone outside the car, it’s not standing still at all.

That is a basic concept of physics. Now let’s apply it to astronomy. If you are standing on the Sun (with your super-duper heat shield, of course) – the Sun is standing still for you, and everything else is moving around it. That like being in Car A; it makes Car A stand still and Car B and the rest of the world move. If you are instead standing on the Earth, its the Earth that stands still and everything else moves around it, similar to being in Car B. If you stand somewhere else, somewhere in outer space, you see that everything is moving. It’s like standing on the road and seeing both Car A and Car B moving. The Earth is moving around the Sun and the Sun is moving around some other stars and the whole thing is circling around the galaxy, and the whole galaxy is… “etc.”

It’s not that geocentric astronomy is “wrong” it’s just geocentric, centered on the Earth. Heliocentric astronomy is not “right” it’s just heliocentric, centered on the Sun. And non-centric astronomy is probably only a philosophical concept, since it’s not possible not to be somewhere within the universe you observe. It’s not wrong for the person in Car A to feel like his steering wheel is not flying around at 50kph. It’s correct, relatively speaking.

All motion is relative.

Now, in astrology we are concerned with life on earth. Therefore it is geocentric. The astrological symbolism of the Sun very strongly suggests that ancient astrologers / astronomers knew that the Sun was, from one perspective, a truer “center” of the planets. But that is not very important because we don’t live on the Sun! We live on Earth. The math of astrology is practical astronomy. It is astronomy in its practical relevance to an observer on Earth. It is intentionally geocentric because it is meant to examine how celestial time proceeds from an earth-based vantage point.

In geocentric astronomy / classical astrology there are three principles to consider: space, planets, and the earth.

Space is the area  through which the planets move. There are two types of space: sidereal and tropical – stellar space or earthbound space. So many cultures had two measurement systems, one for the stars (for example ancient India measured space by 27 stars segments), another for the “signs” (12 of them) of earthly space.

Planets are the visible points in the sky that move through space.

The Earth is the thing we are standing on. It has two important poles: above/below and east/west. Based on the four extremes of those poles there are four quadrants of the “sky” (the earth’s local space). Reflecting the two poles into each of the four sections, each section acquires three distinct divisions (one for the pure quadrant and two for the quadrant mixed with each pole). Thus altogether the Earth’s sky possesses 12 sections. We call these houses.

Now, as to how they are moving… we are standing on the Earth – so we cease to perceive that it is spinning on an axis and rotating around the Sun, just like a person inside a moving car does not perceive the dashboard and chairs to be moving. Instead of seeing the Earth moving around the Sun, we see the Sun as another “planet” that moves through space. Instead seeing the Earth spinning on it’s axis we see space itself (containing in it the moving planets including the Sun) spinning around the Earth.

In classical astrological geocentric astronomy, the Earth is the fixed reference point. And all of space revolves around us, moving through the twelve divisions of our sky, as the planets additionally move within space.

- Vic DiCara

www.vicdicara.com

The Ptolemaic geocentric model of the Universe according to the Portuguese cosmographer and cartographer Bartolomeu Velho (Bibliothèque Nationale de France, Paris). (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Why are the astrological phases (dasa) based on sidereal stars (Nakshatra)?

Nakshatras are not the basis of all dasa systems. There are several dasa systems that have nothing to do with nakshatras. However, the most popular systems are nakshatra based. And the most popular of all, vimshottari dasa, is among the nakshatra systems.

The reason nakshatras are essential in calculating the flow of time can be known by knowing the first part of the first chapter of Surya Siddhanta. There it explains:

There are two types of time: philosophical and practical. The Surya Siddhanta concerns itself with practical time. There are four types of practical time systems: sidereal, tropical, lunar, and civil.

Civil time is counted by sunrises. Each sunrise is a day. 30 sunrises is a month, and 12 such months is a civil year. It is the most simple way of reckoning practical time.

Lunar time is measured by the relative distance between the Sun and Moon. So it is a type of sidereal time (that is, it has no reference to the earth, only to the heavenly bodies). Each day of lunar time is a certain angle of distance between the Sun and Moon, called a “tithi.” 30 tithis is a month, and 12 such months is a lunar year.

Tropical time is measured by the relationship between the Sun and the Earth, specifically between the Sun and the Earth’s equator. This relationship defines the equinoxes, solstices and seasons. 1 degree of motion relative to the spring equinox constitutes one tropical day. Again 30 of them is a tropical month, and 12 of those is a tropical year.

Sidereal time in the Surya Siddhanta is not the same as modern sidereal time. Modern sidereal time is based on a sidereal year. Surya Siddhanta’s sidereal time is based on a sidereal day. A sidereal day is the amount of time elapsed between the rising of a given star (a star, not the Sun) in the east. Like always, 30 such days is a sidereal month, and 360 of them is a sidereal year by Surya Siddhanta’s calculations.

After giving these definitions, the Surya Siddhanta goes on to define three of the four as having specific limited application. Tropical time is specifically for determining rashis (the 12 “signs”) and seasons – which is most relevant to farming and other practical deeds. Lunar time is specifically for determine sacred events. Civil time is specifically meant for cases when long term accuracy is not important.

Sidereal time is therefore the primary way for counting the unfolding of practical time. “Philosophical time” is the conceptual force which causes creation and destruction. “Practical time” is the changing of one moment into the next so that events can unfold. So the Surya Siddhanta defines sidereal time as the primary measure for normal time – the unfolding of events.

“Sidereal” in sanskrit is “Nakshatra.” Nakshatra dasa in English literally means “sidereal phase.” A nakshatra dasa is a phase of sidereal time. Therefore the nakshatra (27 stars) of the sidereal zodiac are the main milestones measuring the pace of this type of time.

The most popular astrological timing systems in India are based on sidereal nakshatra because the whole purpose of a timing system is to understand how events will unfold in due course, and the correct way of measuring that is nakshatra-based time.

It begs mentioning that surya-siddhanta’s nakshatra year is the equivalent of 359.017 of our modern calendar days. So this is the length of the year that should be used when calculating the duration of nakshatra dasas.

- Vic DiCara

www.vicdicara.com

The Twelve Signs of the Zodiac

A sign is a place in the heavens which can be occupied by the planets. The planets are like people, who utilize the resources of a place to achieve whatever ends they desire. So the zodiac signs influence astrology not directly, but indirectly by providing specific resources which limit, facilitate and otherwise modify what the planets can do in a horoscope.

To do astrology, you must clearly and deeply understand what resources are available in which signs. That’s what this article will help you with.

Each zodiac sign is a result of four things: gender, element, mode and ruler. We can take gender out of the equation because element implies gender (fire and air are always masculine, water and earth are always feminine). A zodiac sign, therefore is a combination of three things:

1. An element (fire, earth, air or water), combined with
2. A mode (cardinal, fixed or dual), and cultivated by
3. A ruler (one of the seven primary planets)

Here is a list of the ingredients in the recipe for each of the twelve zodiac signs (if you are patient and have a good eye for abstractions, you will find many beautiful symmetries and patterns in this list. I apologize that the simple formatting here doesn’t reveal these perfections more clearly):

Sun +             fixed          fire =       Leo.

Moon +        cardinal   water = Cancer.

Mercury +   dual           earth =   Virgo.

Mercury +   dual           air =         Gemini.

Venus +        cardinal   air =         Libra.

Venus +        fixed          earth =   Taurus.

Mars +          fixed          water =  Scorpio.

Mars +          cardinal   fire =       Aries.

Jupiter +      dual           fire =       Sagittarius.

Jupiter +      dual           water =  Pisces.

Saturn +      cardinal   earth =   Capricorn.

Saturn +      fixed          air =         Aquarius.

Saturn’s Signs

Capricorn

Saturn+ Cardinal Earth.

Recall what you learned about Saturn, reality, tenacity, etc. Now consider those interests expressing themselves through cardinal earth. The nature of Saturn becomes more forceful, decisive and ambitious due to the cardinal mode, and even more enduring, immovable and rigid due to the earth element.

Capricorn encourages absolutely unrelenting tenacity with decisive dedication to realizing practical results from extremely ambitious goals.

We symbolize this meaning in the image of a mythical sea creature called a “Capricorn” or “Mākara.” The original version of this formidable beast is a crocodile’s jaws with a shark’s tail and a deer’s legs. The crocodile jaws are symbolic of tenacity, never letting go. The ability to be swift on water or land like a shark or a deer shows the decisive cardinality of this sign, and highlights Saturn’s ability to tolerate and dominate in any condition, land or sea.

Aquarius

Saturn + Fixed Air

Now consider the same interests of Saturn expressing themselves instead through fixed air. The fixed mode resonates well with Saturn’s patient tenacity. But the air mode causes Saturn to be less stubborn, and more curious.

Aquarius encourages enduring curiosity and humble patience in discovering the many different facets of life and its ultimate meaning.

A pot symbolizes this quite well. Some say the symbol is of a man pouring a pot – water flowing out of the pitcher, but the older symbol is of a man filling the pot – water flowing into the pitcher. I find the older symbol more useful. The pot is a place to collect various things collected in ones travels throughout life. The bearer of the pot is a servile person, like Saturn, which reflects that Saturn’s humility is available in Aquarius.

Jupiter’s Signs

Sagittarius

Jupiter + Dual Fire

Remember the root of all Jupiter’s intentions is positive expansion, accomplished through good moral guidance. The fire element, an element which shines light on the path and clearly points the right way forward, resonates quite well with these intentions. The duality here prevents the fire from being hasty and overly judgmental – as it is prone to be by nature. Instead it encourages a broad and open minded inquisitiveness.

Sagittarius encourages an open-minded hunger for the positive future that is sure to develop from broad ethical, moral, and philosophical understanding.

The symbol is a drawn bow and arrow, carried by a centaur. The arrow symbolizes the high moral ambitions of Sagittarius – to understand morality, ethics and philosophy in an ever broader manner. The arrow and the centaur are very fast. The centaur can run in one direction while the arrow shoots in the other – symbolizing the dual nature of Sagittarius. The centaur and arrow want to cover as much ground as possible. Notice that the centaur is a centaur, not just a horse. It has the head, the brain of a human. This conveys that Sagittarius is intelligent. The wide-roaming centaur and arrow want to cover as much philosophical ground as possible.

Pisces

Jupiter + Dual Water

Now consider the same energy as Sagittarius but with the moral and ethical interests of the fire element replaced by the contemplative, deep and reflective interests of the water element.

Pisces encourages deep introspection and careful reflection upon the heart of any matter, from all sides.

A fish is the symbol of Pisces. Naturally this is a reference to the water element in Pisces. Also, a fish is silent, and Pisces is quite introspective and reflective in how it goes about gaining a broader base of understanding. A fish can go very deep into the water, and this conveys the combination of Jupiter and water encouraging very deep contemplations. Often the symbol for Pisces contains two fish swimming in opposite directions, though tied together. This very clearly denotes the dual mode in Pisces.

The Signs of Mars

Scorpio

Mars + Fixed Water

Recall what you learned about Mars. He is our individual energy and ambition. Expressing itself through the fixed mode this results in the ambition to become deeper, more profound and more attractive. Because this fixed mode is blended with the element of water, the context of the ambition for profundity becomes emotionally, inwardly oriented. Fixed water, as a combination, creates great depths. Utilized by Mars it because an ambition to attain profound depths.

Scorpio encourages an inward search for more profound depths. Individuality is realized by strengthening and deepening one’s own inner self.

A scorpion is the symbol of Scorpio. This insect is dangerous, like Mars, and lives alone as an individual, like Mars. It lives in holes in the ground or secret cracks and shadows, symbolizing the inward, depth oriented nature of Scorpio as well as its proclivity for secrecy and secret things hidden in the depths.

Aries

Mars + Cardinal Fire

Now consider the same individualizing energy and ambition of Mars, not focused on inner depths as in Scorpio, but on outer heights. Cardinality resonates with the ambitious bravery of Mars. Fire shows the path and allows for swift progress without hesitation. Cardinal fire allows Mars to give great extroverted expressions to brave ambitions.

Aries encourages setting off alone and brave, blazing one’s own path as a bold declaration of individuality and self-assuredness.

The symbol of Aries is a mountain-goat, a ram. Like the scorpion this creature is dangerous with its formidable horns, and highly individualistic – living far from society and other animals, alone in the rocky heights of mountains. An animal who climbs great heights very appropriately conveys the ambitious cardinal nature, and by always knowing where to step without falling it symbolizes the fire element which illuminates the clear path.

Signs of Venus

Libra

Venus + Cardinal Air

Venus, remember, is mainly interested in making the world a better, more enjoyable place. When she cultivates this quality through cardinal air, in creates a very liberal nature. Cardinal is ambitious in seeking change towards new improvements. Air is curious and mobile and likes to change in search of new things.

Libra encourages a more pleasant world through liberal enthusiasm for new and better ways of life.

A lady holding a scale symbolizes Libra. This communicates the liberal ideal of fairness. The lady is fair and beautiful, symbolizing a more pleasant and enjoyable world. Scales symbolize justice and fairness, but also fair trade and exchange. This portrays how Libra does not hold on to old things and seeks to trade the old for something new and better.

Taurus

Venus + Fixed Earth

Now consider how the same intentions of Venus can manifest using fixed earth. Earth is practical, so the outcome is towards improving the world in a tangible, real, practical manner. The fixed mode is deep, steady, and conservative, so we have an emphasis on preserving good things.

Taurus encourages preservation of beneficial traditions and creation of things which are good and enjoyable in a tangible, practical way.

The bull is a symbol of Taurus. The bull is a domestic animal, so is pitting to portray a sign owned by Venus, who is all about relationships, cooperation and marriage. The bull tills the earth – fitting for symbolizing a sign created from the earth element, and thus creates food – the most practical and tangible object of wealth, goodness and enjoyment. The bull plowing a field also symbolizes simple adherence to old ways and traditions, fitting for the nature of a fixed sign intent on preserving what is good and worthwhile in the world.

Mercury’s Signs

Virgo

Mercury + Dual Earth

Remember that Mercury is the planet of interchange and intellect, whose main intention is to learn and understand. The dual mode, of course, resonates very sonorously with this – facilitating a multifaceted and objective approach. Earth directs this interest towards practical, tangible matters.

Virgo encourages intelligence in practical matters, caution and thoroughness in all affairs.

 A virgin is the symbol of Virgo. Over the centuries a lot of symbolic baggage has accumulated around the image of “virgin.” One thing that is still easy to hear in the imagery is a reflection of the prudence and caution of the earth element. Young girls are extremely intelligent and excellent students, especially in comparison to young boys. This makes them a fitting symbol for a sign of Mercury, the planet of intellect and learning. Before marriage, a girl is still studying many different subjects in school – reflecting on the dual mode and the character of Mercury present in Virgo.

Gemini

Mercury + Dual Air

The only thing different here from Virgo is the element. But what a significant difference it makes! Air is not at all cautious, it is free and mobile and fun-loving. Dual air allows Mercury to fully cultivate its wit, inventiveness, and fun-loving nature.

Gemini encourages ingenuity, invention, and a youthful love for freedom and fun.

Sometimes we see twins as a symbol for Gemini, but the more ancient image is a couple enjoying one another’s company. In both cases the two persons in the image point to the dual nature of the sign. That they are both human symbolizes the intellectual, witty, and refined nature of the sign. The more ancient image is more complete, however, because it portrays Gemini’s love for the fun and games associated with new youth.

Signs of the Luminaries

Leo

Sun + Fixed Fire

The Sun is the authority, and the strong sense of identity. The fixed mode is attractive and draws valuable things towards it rather than chasing after them. This causes Leo to support the kind of self-confidence that is charismatic and creates a powerful leader. This resonates loudly with the nature of the fire element, as well. Fire lights the path for others to follow.

Leo encourages strong self-confidence, generating the charisma and authority that commands and guides many followers.

The lion symbolizes Leo. The appropriateness of this image is quite obvious. The lion is the king of the jungle – and the Sun is the king of the planets. The lion is a calm, powerful, stately animal – much like the fixed mode. But like fire, the lion can be punishing when it decides to act.

Cancer

Moon + Cardinal Water

The Moon is the mind, the seat of all desires. Cardinality is decisive and ambition. Water is emotional and reflective. Clearly water and the moon harmonize loudly and clearly with one another, for emotions, desires and the mind itself are one and the same. Cardinality puts an interesting twist on the mixture, causing the emotional mind to be ambitious and decisive! Though cardinality brings decisiveness and direction to Cancer, we can’t forget that the Moon is shy by nature, greatly desiring the approval and acceptance of others.

Cancer encourages strong emotions and decisive opinions yet expresses them shyly and somewhat fearfully.

A crab symbolizes Cancer. The crab is a water-creature, so it is appropriate to symbolize a water sign. It runs sideways, quickly – an image alluding to the directional and committed / decisive nature of the cardinal element. The hard shell can also inform us of the cardinal disposition, which is not flexible and which shields itself from distraction. It, and the crab’s overall behavior, also speaks of the Moon’s timidity and fearfulness of being hurt by others.

 

- Vic DiCara

www.vicdicara.com

What Gives Planets Power Over Us?

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Q: Can you tell em lil bit more about Durga Mata
as to how she is the Base diety of Rahu?
etc

yes that is an important topic actually, because it explains what gives planets “power over us.”
the essentials are this…
(i may have to stop suddenly if/when the appointment comes online)

Q: np
Q:

the essentials are…
that energy flows from a source
always
every wire is connected to a turbine, eventually
and every turbine works on principles eventually manifested by the original turbine of the universe, the sun
and that sun manifests a reflection of the transcendental turbine – the brahmajyoti
and that bhramajyoti is the effulgence coming of the self-manifesting turbine of bhagavan
so
parashara begins his hora shastra by saying,
“the nine planets manifest the energy of Vishnu…
… for the sake of administering the karma of jivas”
thus each planet is “plugged” into the power source of vishnu
but each has a different wire
and a different outlet
the outlets are the nine primary of the ten avatars
excluding kalki
Sun comes from Vishnu as Rama
Moon comes from Vishnu as Krsna
Mars comes from Vishnu as Narasimha

Q: Oh Moon is Krsna I didnt know..Thanks

Mercury Vishnu as Buddha
Jupiter Vishnu as Vamana
Venus Vishnu as…. hmmm i have to check…
Saturn is Vishnu as Kurma
Rahu is Matsya
no Rahu is Varaha
Ketu is Matsya
AHA Venus is Parashurama
the peace lover

Q: (how do we reconcile shukra with shukracharya and Vishnu and parsurama?
but that is separate question…you address some other time
pls continue

then there is a chain of “turbines” from the outlet to the graha
Take the Sun
All power comes from Svayam Bhagavan
then into the world through Sri Rama
then towards the Sun through Shiva
Shiva passes the energy to Agni
Agni gives it to Surya
thus the Sun Graha becomes empowered to control karmas
each planet has this trail

Venus for example
Power comes ultimately, as always, from the Supreme Person… into the world through his incarnation as Parashurama (the man who loved peace so much that he killed all the warriors)
Parashurama hands the power to Indra
Indra gives it to his wife, Indrani
Indrani gives it to Shukra(acarya)
who uses it to empower the Graha, “venus”
see?

Apparently my appointment is not coming online

Q:

so I can tell you the rest of the planets
see each personality takes the energy from the former and imparts unto it his or her own unique characteristics
This is why Venus is so opulent, skilled, beautiful and peaceloving
as a result of the chain of energy flow TO Shukracarya
so then there is the Moon

Q: Oh…Parsurama-Indra-Indrani-Shukracharya connection…
and Durga Mata?

From the Fountainhead the energy flows into the world through the incarnation of Krsna. Krsna sends the power forward to Parvati – Shiva’s consort. Parvati gives it to Apas, the Water goddess, Apas gives it to Chandra who uses it to empower the “Moon.”
That’s the Moon
Now about Durga
She empowers Rahu
the energy path is…
From the fountainhead through Varaha, the boar incarnation, to Durga the destructive goddess, to Rahu who empowers the “north node” to control karma.
see?

Q: so its a connection with Vishnu
always
whether Rahu or Shukra

Ketu’s path is: Fountainhead -> Matsya (the fish) -> Chitragupta, the reckoner of death -> Ketu -> “S. Node”

Q: oic

Parashara is in line with the Vedantic Siddhanta:
The Vedantic Siddhanta (Perfect conclusion of the Veda) is summarized in the Sutra: Janma-adi-yasya yatha
meaning “everything comes from Vishnu”

Q: Oh ok

so he clearly states at the beginning of his work, the Hora Shastra, that all the planets and all their power comes from Vishnu
therefore his work can be accepted as “Vedic”

Q: )
Q: so my Narayan Hriday Stotras– actually end up giving me grace marks? in all power outlets??

Correct Correct Correct!
I will post this, OK?

Q: OK

It is an interesting read for people

Q: NP

Let me tell the other planet’s paths

For MARS…. From the Fountainhead into the world through Narasimha (the feirce Man-Lion) who passes it to Skanda (God of War) to Bhumi (the Goddess of the Earth) to Kuja who is the being empowering the graha/planet called “Mars”
You can see the fierceness all the way

Q: Mars is also the’ Bhumiputra’

And Bhumi gives the ability to conquer the earth and gain territory
Mars is born without a father
only of the Earth
and he takes no wife
because he is selfish and self-oriented and doesn’t want to deal with cooperating with a woman!

Q: ‘Men are from Mars’ I would say ‘Single Men are from Mars’

Yep! Good one

now for MERCURY… From the Fountainhead into the world through Buddha (The enlightened) on to Narayana (the maintainer of the cosmos) on to Vishnu as a demigod who maintains the substance of the cosmos, on to Budha the deity who empowers the planet “Mercury” to hold our karmas
you can see the organizational skill and the intelligence all the way

Q: Now you are saying Narayan and Vishnu to be two different

They have different roles
one is the “karanodakshayi vishnu”
the other is the “ksirodaksayi vishnu”
and people have more than one name, so it can get confusing, I agree
in this case I believe that Narayana refers to the karanodaskayi Vishnu – the “Quantum Vishnu” lying on the ocean of causality.
And then “Vishnu” refers to the demigod vishnu
who lies on the ocean of milk
and maintains the substance of the cosmos
ok?

Q: ok
got it
Q: Multiple Hats worn by same Power

right

JUPITER… From the Fountainhead into the world through Vamana (the small boy who expands to fill the whole universe) on to Brahma (creator of all law and wisdom) on to Indra and then to Brihaspati who uses it to empower the planet “Jupiter”

Q: ok

only Saturn remains…
of course always last…
SATURN gets power from Godhead entering the world as Kurma (the turtle who held a mountain on his back). From there it passes to the Prajapati (The creator of life). Then to Yamaraja (God of death), finally to Shani, who is the deity of the planet “Saturn”

It is actually the deities – Shani, Shukra, Surya, Chandra, etc. – who control the karma of us all, NOT the rocks out in space which merely move to indicate their intentions
in Saturn’s case you can see the flow of energy creating forebearance, longevity, inescapable reality and death

Q: The Rocks with their pull exert force on us
I believe the deities control us through that force

no they do not

Q: They dont?

the effect of the gravity of the planets is absolutely negligable

Q: oh ok

there is more gravitational pull from a candle down the hall than there is from Saturn

Q: except that of Moon?

regardless of the amount, gravity is a physical law
it is NOT the physical bodies in outer space that control our destiny!

Q: Okie

it is the deities of inner space who control that destiny
the globes floating around out there merely represent or reflect their inner movements and intentions
Ultimately the planetary deities are called “Graha”
it means they “hold” things
what do they hold?

Q: Fruits?
Q: and Rewards?

apples
right, “fruits” as in results
foolish people think the planets hold YOU
they do not
they hold things in the same way a tape recorder holds sound
they record
and hold records of your freewill
and thus administer the proper “fruits” or results

Q: You mean to say…you are naked in front of them?

they are within you
so you are not “in front of them” really
they are inside your being, they COMPOSE your being
Sun is your ego
Moon is your heart/mind
Mercury your thoughts
Venus your body and senses
Mars your energy
Jupiter your wisdom
Saturn is your limitation

Q: what is Rahu?
within a human body

Rahu is your ability to go forward in time
Ketu is your ability to go backwards and remember

Q: Is ketu linked to Past Birth memories?

yes Ketu is

Q: and then would Rahu be responsible for fortune tellers

Rahu is responsible for people who see the future, yes – fortune tellers, inventors, innovators, revolutionaries, etc.

being within you the planetary deities record everything, every way you utilize your will
and they hold on to those recordings
until the right conditions allow them to erase the recording by bestowing the just reward or punishment for what they recorded

A chain of deities decending from God gives them the AUTHORITY to do so
that is the chain we discussed

Q: yes..

OK, time for me to GO
I will post this now OK?

Q: Ok np
“To be contd…”

Krsne Matir Astu!

Q: Jai Sri Krishna